Tuesday, June 03, 2008

More fake facts

Here it is, the last day of the Primary season and the last States vote today, but it still may not be over. Hillary is using a last-ditch pitch to sway both uncommitted and Obama superdelegates her way. Trouble is, the "facts" she's pitching are not factual.

Here’s what she told the New York Times:
“I’ve been closing very strongly since Feb. 20,” she said, referring to the day after Mr. Obama won Hawaii and Wisconsin. “I have won more votes and won more states than Senator Obama. All the independent analyses break in my direction. A lot of the key states that we have to win, I win those states.”

Her math has been different from anyone else's, and DailyKos (among others) has an explanation (go there for the numbers).

She argues that she has the popular vote, and the superD's should go to her. But...
  1. she is counting votes from territories who don't vote in the general election, so being popular there is irrelevant.
  2. she is NOT counting caucuses!! So Puerto Rico counts in her world but Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Washington and Wyoming do NOT.
  3. she is counting Obama's Michigan votes as zero, since the flawed primary in Michigan permitted no Obama votes. Zero.

She stated that she has won more states than Obama.

No. He has won 33 contests (and is expected to win the next 2). She has won 21. I am using the CNN tallies. America Blog figures that she must be using the Feb. 20 date to spin her statement about winning more states. Very deceptive.

SuperDs... I hope you are not falling for this. We have made decisions based on blatant lies too many times. That needs to stop.


Dr. Monkey Von Monkerstein said...

Amen sister.

DrDon said...

Actually, I don't think what she's saying is a "blatant lie." NPR had a story yesterday evening about the so-called "popular" vote and you're right, it's all about how you look at the numbers. Their story fetured a political researcher who analyzed six different ways you could calculate the popular vote. For example, since Obama wasn't on the Michigan ballot should those results count or not? Again, he wasn't making value judgements but was just running the numbers using six different scenarios for calculating the totals. The results were that in three scenarios Obama had the popular vote lead and in three scenarios Clinton had the lead. So, depending on the scenario she chooses to use, she's no more lying than Obama is depending upon what scenario he chooses to use.

I'm not taking sides here. I just think the vitriol on both sides is ridiculous. Hillary seems to think she had some right to the nomination which I think is ludicrous. Obama supporters seem equally convinced that their candidate, with a scant record and little experience, is far and away the best person for the job. He certainly may be but it seems that a lot of people I hear speak are in love with the idea of Obama rather than having any evidence that he can accomplish the things he is promising.

I think the Democrats should be working to get one of these two people in the White House. They've both lied during this campaign. They've both side-stepped difficult issues, given non-answers to direct questions, and neither has elucidated where the money is going to come from for all their big ideas. Still, if we want to oust the Republicans, then attacking either Clinton or Obama seems counter-productive.

I think Obama has the nomination sewn up. More and more super delegates are pledging to him because they see the writing on the wall. It seems that now people are attacking Clinton just to attack her. While she was wrong to presume that she was somehow entitled to the nomination, she does have a right to stay in the fight as long as she wants. Politicians have big egos and desire power, Obama included. It would have been interesting to see if he would have given up if their roles were reversed. I don't think he would have. I think he would have stayed in until the end and would have made some of the same arguments Clinton is making. And Obama supporters would have been on his side talking about how unfair the process is. This is the nature of people and politics.

He'll win the nomination though. Of course, people have to be careful what they wish for and hope that all the polls suggesting that he would be a several point underdog to McCain are wrong.

DivaJood said...

I am completely in agreement with drdon on this. While the supporters of Obama and Clinton eat each other alive, it keeps us from focusing on the real issues. Defeating John McCain in November is crucial, and it will not happen while we flay the skin off of each other.

Blueberry said...

I hope there is some light at the end of this tunnel. Everytime I see a glimmer, it moves further away. Tomorrow I hope that we can emerge from the tunnel and start hammering McCain. It's time his vacation was over.

Ghost Dansing said...

it's over for Hillary.....

Blueberry said...

Exciting countdown tonight. Feels like New Years Eve. We're at 11 to go. 10... 9... 8...

get the champagne ready!

The news media can only talk about Hillary for #2. I don't like it but think it would win. They would have to restrain Bill somehow if she gets on the ticket. I would prefer her being offered the next Supreme Court opening or something besides VP (ambassador to Bosnia?).